The Stress Expert: The Reason You Wake Up Tired Every Morning | David Ko, CEO of Calm

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Jay Shetty Podcast2026-09-09

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The Stress Expert: The Reason You Wake Up Tired Every Morning | David Ko, CEO of Calm

Overview

Topic: Mental health, stress management, and workplace wellness

In this episode, Jay Shetty sits down with David Ko, the CEO of Calm, to discuss stress, burnout, and mental health. David shares his 'battery' analogy from his book 'Recharge', explaining how to monitor and manage our mental energy levels. They discuss the importance of vulnerability in leadership, the difference between good and bad stress, and practical techniques for recharging our mental batteries to improve productivity and overall well-being.

Minute by Minute (15)

  1. [00:00 - 01:00] The Battery Analogy

    Jay Shetty introduces the concept of daily information overload and asks David Ko about his battery analogy for mental energy.

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  2. [01:00 - 02:00] Origin of the Analogy

    David Ko explains how the battery analogy originated from a conversation with a friend about checking in on her kids' mental state.

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  3. [02:00 - 03:00] Simplifying Mental Health

    David Ko discusses how the battery analogy simplifies mental health check-ins, and Jay Shetty notes how people tend to scale everything to extremes.

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  4. [03:00 - 04:00] The Upper Battery Zones

    David Ko breaks down the battery percentage zones, explaining that 75% to 100% means you are generally doing fine.

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  5. [04:00 - 05:00] The Lower Battery Zones

    David Ko explains the lower battery zones (50% down to 0%) and the importance of recognizing when it is time to take a break and recharge.

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  6. [05:00 - 06:00] Jay's Personal Battery Habits

    Jay Shetty shares his personal habit of keeping his personal health highly charged, taking proactive steps when he drops below 50%.

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  7. [06:00 - 07:00] Reframing Rest as Recharging

    Jay Shetty discusses the importance of reframing 'rest' as 'recharging' to avoid feeling guilty about taking time off.

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  8. [07:00 - 08:00] Preview of Upcoming Topics

    David Ko and Jay Shetty laugh about their shared obsession with keeping their batteries charged, leading into a preview of upcoming topics.

    Open at 07:00

  9. [08:00 - 09:00] Communicating at Zero Percent

    Jay Shetty asks how to communicate with someone at a 5% battery level, and David Ko emphasizes the need to give them space and listen.

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  10. [09:00 - 10:00] The Phone Memory Analogy

    David Ko uses a phone memory analogy to explain how identifying and deleting 'draining apps' in life can make our mental battery more efficient.

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  11. [10:00 - 11:00] Using Tech Parallels

    David Ko explains how drawing parallels to everyday technology helps make conversations about mental health less intimidating.

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  12. [11:00 - 12:00] Staying Present as a CEO

    Jay Shetty asks how David Ko manages to stay present as a busy CEO, and David discusses the unrealistic expectation for leaders to have all the answers.

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  13. [12:00 - 13:00] The Power of Vulnerability

    David Ko emphasizes that leaders must show vulnerability and share their own struggles to create a safe space for their employees.

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  14. [13:00 - 14:00] Vulnerability with Teams

    David Ko asks Jay Shetty how he practices vulnerability with his own team, and Jay agrees that sharing personal journeys gives others permission to do the same.

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  15. [14:00 - 15:00] Redefining Strength

    Jay Shetty shares a story about a corporate client who feared showing vulnerability would make them look weak, emphasizing that it actually shows strength.

    Open at 14:00

Broadcaster Questions (7)

  1. [00:00] What's something that you're not calm about?

    Context: Jay Shetty asks David Ko about the things in his daily life that cause him stress or make him feel less than calm.

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  2. [00:38] Walk us through this, because I really like this in your book Recharge, the way you break it down and explain it.

    Context: Jay Shetty asks David Ko to explain his battery analogy for the brain and mind.

    Open at 00:38

  3. [02:42] Walk us through the different breakdowns as you do in the book.

    Context: Jay Shetty asks David Ko to explain the specific percentage zones of the battery analogy.

    Open at 02:42

  4. [08:00] I was wondering if someone's at a zero... what would you say to them? How would you communicate with them some of these tools when you're at zero?

    Context: Jay Shetty asks David Ko how to support and communicate with someone who is emotionally or mentally depleted.

    Open at 08:00

  5. [11:07] How do you do that as a busy CEO?

    Context: Jay Shetty asks David Ko how he manages to stay present and create space for vulnerable conversations despite his busy schedule.

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  6. [11:43] How do you actually create space for these conversations?

    Context: Jay Shetty asks David Ko how leaders can make time for deep mental health check-ins with their teams.

    Open at 11:43

  7. [13:41] How do you do that with your own employees?

    Context: David Ko asks Jay Shetty how he practices vulnerability and checks in on the mental health of his own employees.

    Open at 13:41


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